End The Turn – Episode 8 – Game Clubs

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Sorry for the serious lag since our last episode. Combination of Real Life and an unplanned change in webhost for the website etc contributed to the delay. Fingers crossed that we’re over that hump and are able to get things back on schedule.

Games Clubs & Communities

Specific Clubs Mentioned – ORC Edinburgh / DWARF Dunfermline / ENT Anstruther / Forth Magic Rosyth

How do you find them?

Lots and lots of websites around these days.

Finding Gamers – http://nearbygamers.com/ |  http://www.theescapist.com/findinggamers.htm | https://www.meetup.com/topics/gaming/
MeepleMapper – https://meeplemapper.com/
Google / DuckDuckGo – www.duckduckgo.com
BoardGameGeek – https://boardgamegeek.com/forum/85/boardgamegeek/europe
Tabletop Gaming Magazine – https://www.tabletopgaming.co.uk/board-games/clubs/
Your Friendly Local Gaming Store – http://www.findyourgamestore.co.uk/
Facebook – Tabletop Gaming DiscussionScotland Tabletop – Board Game Trading and Chat UK

What do you do if you can’t find them?

Build it and people will come (Field Of Dreams clip)
Use the connections you have to help you build it.
Spreading the word via Facebook Group / Twitter (using local hashtags) / BoardGameGeek (Fife Player search example) / Posters put in public spaces.
Venue selection is key.
Publicly accessible venue.
Venues cost money which requires some legal stuff like bank accounts and keeping paperwork.

Why are they important?

They advertise the hobby and encourage gaming.
Mostly games clubs have a regular schedule for people to get involved.
Games clubs are inclusive by their very nature.
Diversity of the hobby and exposure to lots of different games whether they be “classics” or the shiny and new.
Gives you that “try before you buy” opportunity.
Provides more options to try more games whether that be the new or those classics from the dim and distant past.

What else should you consider?

If you can’t find something local or entirely convenient then you’re going to have to be prepared to travel.
Make sure you understand and exhaust the existing club-base before starting a new club. If there are other clubs locally then ensure that both clubs have some sort of synergy to avoid conflict.

Games referenced in this episode –

Warhammer Fantasy RPG
Pathfinder RPG
d20 Modern RPG
d20 Star Wars RPG
Ticket To Ride / Ticket To Ride: Europe
Magic: The Gathering / Organised Play
Warhammer Fantasy

Reminder –

The internet has many ways of finding things.
Let us know if you can’t find anything then Get In Touch with us and we’ll see what we can do to help you.
Also, let us know what other options you know about finding gamers and clubs.

Episode 7: Gaming Resolutions!

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In this Episode we talk about our plans for 2017 and our gaming resolutions! How Liz plans to play more games, and how Dave wants to attend more conventions! Perhaps Liz will start editing the podcasts much earlier and stop procrastinating until the last minute? We can all hope for miracles!


What are your gaming resolutions for the near coming? Any interesting plans for the New Year to get more games to the table? Or perhaps try some new ones?


Whatever your plans are for the next year, or indeed tonight, we hope you have an excellent New Year!

End The Turn – Episode 6 – RPG Length

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RPG Length – A no rapping zone.

In this episode we cover –

  • RPG Game Session Length
  • Story Arcs
  • Campaign Length

We both tend to use a 4 hour “slot” but actual gaming is 2-3 hours per session – faff level pre/during/post session

Sessions which are 2 hour / 12 hour / 24 hour “slots” are unusual and a different experience.

Story Arcs – split over 5 “sessions” on average. Campaigns are built from multiple Story Arcs with a story line going through each arc.

Story / Campaign building should have an element of structure / framework using the arcs to introduce and re-introduce plot hooks and characters. Arcs sustain momentum in a campaign.

Dave mentions Kilranthia again! Having to choose between the lesser of two evils over the campaign and the story arcs drove the direction the player’s decisions would take them towards the end game. Gave the players an element of control but demonstrated that there was a bigger storyline going on that whilst they were involved in it, there was an end game that would happen with or without their involvement. Sustaining player involvement even when they become “passive” in their attendance through outside of session discussions.

Liz mentions Of Darkness And Light, one of her favourite RPG experiences ever, where at the end of the story her character died to save another. Emotions!!!

One off / One shots are a different beast. They need to be something that can both be flexible but also need a bit more framework to handle the random elements.

Games that Dave and Liz think work better as oneshots over campaigns.

Dave’s never managed to get Superhero games to work as a campaign. WHY!?!?! After all they’re episodic by their very nature…

Campaign tangents / “player led choices” are a key part of any campaign. As a GM you need to be open to those tangents and avoid an overly prescriptive plan to ensure that everyone at the table enjoys the game.

  • What do you think of One Offs and Campaigns?
  • How long are your game sessions / story arcs / campaigns?
  • Are you a forward planner or do you “stumble” into campaign games?

Liz does the outros and gets a gold star!

End The Turn – Episode 5 – Player Absences

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In this Episode, we cover my player absences are difficult, and what we can do to resolve them. What are your thoughts on this? How do you handle players missing from your game?

Mentioned in this podcast:

Never Unprepared: The Complete Game Master’s Guide to Session Prep – available from Engine Publishing!

Pandemic Legacy – 10/10 must be tried!

Let us know on Facebook, on Twitter or even via email what you think of this episode!

  • Can you tell Liz was put in charge of this one? – L

End The Turn – Episode 4 – Kickstarter

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Episode 4!

We’re sticking around, we’re still both really busy but most of all we’re still podcasting about games and stuff.

So Kickstarter… For those unaware this is Kickstarter – https://www.kickstarter.com/about
This is Kickstarter’s Tabletop Games section – https://www.kickstarter.com/discover/categories/games/tabletop%20games?ref=category

Things referenced in the podcast:

Friendly Local Game Stores – UK Map – http://www.findyourgamestore.co.uk/
Pencil Dice Kickstarter – https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/d20e/rpg-pencil-dice
Knights Of The Dinner Table – https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/d20e/kodt-live-action-series
64 Ounce Games – Braille Sleeves for Card Games – https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/64ouncegames/board-games-now-blind-accessible
Cool Mini Or Not Kickstarters – https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/coolminiornot
Pathfinder video game – https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1675907842/pathfinder-online-a-fantasy-sandbox-mmo
Yogscast – https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/winterkewlgames/yogventures
Doom That Came To Atlantic City – Cryptozoic – https://www.cryptozoic.com/articles/cryptozoic-saves-doom-came-atlantic-city-board-game – and original Kickstarter – https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/forkingpath/the-doom-that-came-to-atlantic-city
Pillars Of Eternity – https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/obsidian/project-eternity
Early Access – Battlefield 1 – https://www.battlefield.com/news/article/battlefield-1-play-first-trial-details
Reaper Bones – https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-an-evolution-of-gaming-min
RimWorld – https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tynansylvester/rimworld
Sentinels Of The Multiverse OblivAeon – https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gtgames/sentinels-of-the-multiverse-oblivaeon

Greg Stolze – https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/gregstolze/created
Unknown Armies RPG – http://www.atlas-games.com/unknownarmies/
Reign RPG – https://index.rpg.net/display-entry.phtml?mainid=7048

Patreon – https://www.patreon.com/
Greg Rucka – DC Comics – http://www.dccomics.com/talent/greg-rucka

Steve Jackson Games OGRE – https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/847271320/ogre-designers-edition

Edinburgh Playtesters – https://www.facebook.com/groups/1216664391711182/
Dundee Playtesters – https://www.facebook.com/groups/1127032203986407/

Dave references a post on his blog – A2ndChapter
Only Buy It If You’re Going To Use It – http://a2ndchapter.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/only-buy-it-if-youre-going-to-use-it.html

Let us know about games that you’re currently backing or if you’re a publisher that you’re launching.  Especially if you’re in Scotland!

Let us know on Facebook, on Twitter or even via email!

Interview – Kevin Young from Inspiring Games

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Dave had the chance to catch up with Kevin from Inspiring Games, talk about his history with the hobby and about some of the games that he’s working on as part of Inspiring Games.  Including the fantastic looking and sounding Legends Untold which is about to hit Kickstarter.

At the time of recording this Legends Untold was planned to hit Kickstarter on the 15th. The launch has been delayed slightly but rather than wait we wanted to get the interview out and show our support for Kevin and the rest of the Inspiring Games crew.

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End The Turn – Episode 1 – Bad Players?!

We are a go, a go for launch!

So here we are, Episode 1 of End The Turn with Liz and Dave.

In this first episode we introduce you to what we’re all about, talk about some games we’re playing and then focus on this first topic.

Bad Players – What are they? Why do they exist? Are they really all that bad? How do you manage those players?

Games referenced in the show –

Other things referenced in the show –

Let us know what you thought of the show and remember to get in touch!